good afternoon everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian on a very busy sunday afternoon. a weekend of more mass shootings in philadelphia. three people, killed more than a dozen wounded. a similar fatal toll in tennessee, where another three people are, that 14 shot in a deadly weekend in america. plus, a chilling hit was found on a suspect in the murder of a former judge. it includes some important political names, just days away from the first january 6th hearing and there's reporting that jared kushner and ivanka trump may in fact take center stage. and the queen makes an appearance after days on the sideline, as a platinum jubilee winds down. later on on this, our confronting the powerful at the nra convention. >> give your thoughts and your prayers and your thoughts and

your prayers and your prayers and your thoughts, and if we give enough of these thoughts and these prayers, these mass shootings will stop. >> we are going to talk to our friend, the comedy due out of the good liars, about the stuff that made waves around the country. that's later on this, our you don't want to miss this conversation. we want to begin with that breaking news that out of wisconsin, where a retired judge was shot and killed by a gunman who police say was preparing to target prominent politicians next. nbc's steve patterson is on this for us. steve, as always, good to see you. what more do we know about this, this chilling killing now of this judge. and who else is on this list? >> yeah, chilling is right. lots to unpack here. if he have to separate incidents, although related. you have the hasse isolated killing of this judge and then you have this bizarre list that was found in the suspected shooter's car.

let's start with a suspected shooter. we're learning more, this is 56 year old douglas who the. he was found with a self inflicted gunshot wound in the head of long time circuit county judge john roemer. roemer was found in his home, it is, basements it tied to his own chair with a gunshot wound and killed. here is the connection we can draw in this case. court documents show that roemer was the judge overseeing his trial years ago, it was 2005. he was the judge that put uhde away for armed robbery into that five. then had a laundry list of other criminal activities, laundry list of former criminal charges. he's been known to police for quite some time and was put away by that judge. so, that's a connection there. police then also find this bizarre list, with political names of every affiliation and seemingly every stripe. including senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, you

have wisconsin governor tony evers, michigan governor gretchen whitmer. of, course no stranger to a threat like this herself. i want to, though, take you to a perspective of a judge who had a similar experience, experience something very similar. lost her son in this attack and nearly lost her own life. listen to this. >> we took an oath to do our job. we took an oath to uphold the constitution. we stand on the front lines, protecting democracy in this country. and yet, we are not protected. something's got to be done and this is not going to be the last judge who loses his or her life. it sickens me to say that but it's just a matter of time. >> that was esther salas who, again, suffered her own attack in very similar styling. meanwhile, the investigation is ongoing. everyone on that list was notified.

they were also told that they believe that this is an isolated incident, they believe that because the shooter was found that there is no further threat although, again, all of this of course is being further investigated. and one last thing, we may learn a little bit more about this because the suspected shooter survived that self inflicted gunshot wound. he is in the hospital in critical condition. >> got it, all right. lots of details to take it there. steve patterson, as always, thank you for filling us in on that. i want to bring it now frank figliuzzi he is msnbc's analyst and former director of the fbi. we'll talk about a few things here. first, we've been talking about the shootings that were happening across the country, we're talking about mass, shootings talk about shootings happening at a local level as well. threat the northeast as well and specifically this targeted shooting in the state of wisconsin. steve walked us through some of those details. first and foremost, i know you spoke my colleague, ali velshi, earlier. you called this, essentially, a grievous collector, explaining

the shooter's motive. talk to me about what you mean by that, and could this lead authorities to understand why it was without speaking to him really, because he is in critical condition he's teams. why he was also targeting gretchen whitmer, mitch mcconnell and tony evers as well. >> yeah, this is an interesting case and will be studied. because it both is personal for him in that we know and it has been reported that he was sentenced, and the trial judge and sentencing judge wears the deceased judge that he targeted. but is the span of time, yasmin, that has my attention i will get the attention of behavioral scientist as well. because we are talking gears here of brooding about this sentence. this is not something that happened a year, two, three, four years ago. >> 2005, confessed convicted back in 2005. >> he also violated his conditions of parole for that sentence. we wouldn't see -- why do i say grievance collector?

he has been brooding but also we see ensuing, he's a litigator. he sees any law enforcement entity he comes in contact with. he loses those suits, they're frivolous, but he's got this kind of chip on his shoulder and carries it. and that was interesting, even more, is he is now extending it beyond his personal region on two people he has likely never met. governors of two states, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. but, now you start asking why, why them? now comes the social media analysis. the early reports on his social media include that he is pro trump, that's fine, but the next check is he is very much against hillary clinton, he said some very derogatory things about her on social media. does back to -- us importantly, he's one of these people that believes the government of caring for their guns. he talked about marcia lobbying

eminent. but if you talk about? it back in the 2016 presidential election, implying white? if we lose the election, we the republicans, the concern going to be taken from us. so, i can see where some of his targets we are hearing about our people who weren't trump enough. mitch mcconnell incurred has rat for some reason. to governors, for some reason. that seems to be the motive behind here. we'll learn more as time goes on. >> if i could bring it back, because that speaks to the responsibility the politicians have on they're making the speeches, getting people to support them. because it's coming for your guns thing i have heard over and over again. january six, on the steps of the capitol, they cannot tell you how many times i heard from militia members storming the capitol that first it's, this second they're coming for our guns. taking it out of nowhere, really, right? and then for having a gun discussion, in the midst of all this, you think about illegally obtaining firearms which we have been continuing to have

that discussion after buffalo and uvalde. both individuals, their those young men, they're able to buy their firearms legally. in this instance, you have a convicted felon who got a gun as well. are we doing enough to combat the black markets, the secondary markets in which folks like this guy, a convicted felon, could actually acquire a firearm? >> i'm glad you asked that. because, as the discussions going on the capitol hill about things we might do for new, enhanced legislation, i'm an advocate of all of that. but also, how about enforcing existing laws? as you said, this individual, this shooter is clearly a convicted felon in possession of a weapon. that should not be. why are we not enforcing the existing laws enough? we've gotten atf, from the bureau of firearms, responsible for johnson lodge forsman who hasn't had a director, yasmin, in seven years. we can't get one confirmed, joe biden has now approved another

nominee, steve de beque. the hand wringing begins on capitol hill. but we want to have been at atf and even if we want to enforce existing laws. >> governor gretchen whitmer alone has not been targeted twice in two years by extremists, frank. i'm sure her team and herself a pretty nervous about what's to come there. what do you make of these continued targeting attacks especially as politicians, what do you think is driving them? >> we have a radicalization problem combined with a gun problem combined with a mental health problem. so, at the root of that is the spread of radicalized rhetoric, violent ideology. if you don't like what a politician has put in place, whether it's governor whitmer's stance on covid in masking, where you don't like somebody's stance on guns, then you paint them as evil and they become the infidel. we've seen this in violent jihad radicalization and out the speed of the send button on social media platforms means

you become radicalized because you seek the affirmation of like-minded people. that's where we are right now. and it's not going to stop until we regulate those issues. guns, social media and violent, a violent ideology that's being connected to so-called free speech. but i keep reminding people's free speech comes with a responsibility. the freedom to speak is not freedom from responsibility, yet we continue to see this being acute on social media platforms and far-right television networks. >> frank, as always, thank you. we have three separate by uniquely american tragedies, three separate mass shootings and three different states, all happening just this weekend. richard louis is following this for us. richard, talk us through this, because i feel every morning i wake up and see in the news that more people have been, shot more people have been injured. it's really depressing and

upsetting, i think, right about now with all of this going on. >> yeah, so, we still have more to report on. even every day, just as you are having those conversations with frank figliuzzi. yasmin, three states with shootings just this hour. they claimed the lives of at least seven and injured more than two dozen others. first philadelphia, multiple shooters there, firing into a crowd and one of the city's entertainment districts. you can see this on south street here, police onsite. they did fire back but the assailants escaped. they are now on the loose and the shooters killed three people at this location, 11 others were injured. this overnight, here. then, to chattanooga, tennessee for a popular nightclub there. police responding to a shooting around 3 am, say the associated press. these are some of the shots from the scene there. multiple assailants as well, they shot 14 people, three people died. won by a car. no suspects in custody, they're calling this a complex

investigation because of all the different variables. then, to one of the shootings involving children this weekend. he graduation party in south carolina, eight people were shot including multiple children. one adult was killed in this particular instance. investigators say it appeared to be gang related. the sheriff's office saying, quote, innocent children are suffering the consequences of these acts. yasmin, as you're talking about, you get up every morning. as i got up this morning it is the very same in preparation for this report. the gun archives, to gun violence archives, if you go through that you can see the numbers populating as the hour went by. in the last 24 hours, more than 100 gun related incidents with injuries or deaths in that period, says the gun violence archive's. you don't want to do that. but if you want to get a sense of what's happening every, day just watch it being populated. that brings this years averaged more than two people killed from gun violence each hour.

that's the latest. >> wow, wow, that's astounding. hence the reason we need to continue having these conversations about guns in this country. what exactly is going on, what is feeling it all. richard louis, thank you for your really importing reporting. we appreciate it. i love developments, everybody, how much i expect from this week's televised january six hearings. the washington post reporting that some of that the process think they may show video testimony from donald trump's daughter ivanka and her husband shared kushner. officials say, never before seen testimony a new video also air during a primetime hearing. that begins thursday evening. it will be the first of a series of televised marking the culmination of a long investigation into what happened on january 6th. coming up in the next hour, everybody, i'm going to ask former federal prosecutor julie vance whatever dense could change minds, if any. by the way, don't miss msnbc special coverage of the hearing beginning thursday, seven eastern, right here on msnbc. with expert analysis led by rachel maddow, joy reid, nicole

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buckingham palace afternoon. and gave away to thousands of cheering supporters nbc stephanie gosk is still there, outside of buckingham palace. doing all four days of celebration, staff, you must be party that my friend. talk to us. >> listen, it was a great four days, you really saw the british public coming out whether was in person, or watching that concert last night by the numbers were through the roof of people that tuned into that concert. and to this day, in this moment here when the queen came out on the balcony. early in the day, there was no confirmation she was gonna be. here are there would've been some concern about her health if she hadn't appeared at the end of this passionate, at the end of this parade today. there she was, it was a full line of succession to the throne. the queen, you had charles, then you had william, then you add a little george as well. the line of succession there on display which means of this is a celebration, not just of the

queen south, but the future of the monarchy. at least that's the method you get, that they hope that will be sent by all of them standing there. the queen also just came out with a statement in the last couple of hours, she said among other things, yasmin, she's deeply untold and touched by the celebration that she see. she remains committed to serve to the best of her abilities. she thanked the british public and her words, most sincerely, yasmin. >> it was an incredible celebration to watch, staff, to say the least of course. for days celebrating the platinum jubilee. i will also say i imagine little george has gotten a couple timeouts through these last four days. i've seen some videos, i've been watching over and over again [laughs] as he talks to his mom. did you see the video of him -- to his mom? >> yes. you know you can't contain a four-year-old. >> you cannot contain affordable even if the line of

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everything i, what we're not going to put a piece of legislation on the table that will be an assault rifles, we're not going to pass comprehensive background checks. but right now, people in this country want us to make progress. they don't just want the status quo. >> all right, that was from senator chris murphy, one of the democrats try to put together some kind of bipartisan reform in the senate. revealing an assault weapons ban in background checks will not be part of the equation. but today, eovaldi, morning to victims being remembered. including a funeral for at least say ramirez, an aspiring artist who's only ten years old. and at lisa garcia, remember today with a visitation ceremony, just nine years. old we want to bring in liz maclachlan, on the ground for us in uvalde. i know you've been doing some incredible reporting on the ground for. just take us through, it i know you had an exclusive interview with one of the individuals whose at the funeral parlor who confronted the shooter. talk us through that and also

now where it's beginning to see the cases big, filed lawsuits filed on behalf of the victims. >> yeah, that's right, yasmin. a lot of traction here, i don't know if you can hear behind me but the brown marines are at the memorial in the town square. with an impassioned speech demanding gun control, saying that there should be accountability here. that lawmakers, policy makers, should control these weapons of war. they're the first steps toward legal action, toward the manufacture of the gun that was used in this massacre. daniel defenses, a georgia -based company, one of the largest private gun manufacturers on the country. known for pushing boundaries in this industry. one staffer at robb elementary school is one of the people who filed a petition to get more information from this company, as well as one of the victims, on cars as a father. to try get more information about how this company markets, and if it marches to young teens, young adults or people

who shouldn't -- were mentally unstable, who shouldn't be able to have a gun. there these are precursor losses, mouthful losses, but they are headed in that direction. there are calls for this accountability, as this community, yasmin, continues to mourn. the funerals will continue to go on until june 16th. we spoke with one father yesterday who had to bury their child, his son. haley torres. let's listen to what this father had to say. >> i just want to believe it, i can't even close my, eyes i can't sleep. when i close my eyes i see my son. i can't even remember what he felt within shooting, when he died. the shooter told him time to die. imagine my kid reacting, and i'm not there to help him. i feel so bad for not being there for him, when he needed me to. >> just ten years old, lost far

too soon. a funeral worker, one of only to funeral homes here in town, was one of the first to actually encounter the gunman on that, day on may 24th. the states deadliest school shooting. cody personna, he is digs grades here, laura's the cascades. he was at the funeral home that day, it was located right across the street from robb elementary. the shooter crashed his truck right in front of that school, he went over to try and help and the gunman looked him in what he called and evil look, looked at him in the eyes and then started to get his gun and he started to run, along with another worker. he continued firing at him. let's hear some of his account of that harrowing day, let's listen. >> i tell, him run, run, he has a gun. we both started running. as i turned around i fell,

since i'm getting up i'm looking back in the skies already pointing at us. and you just heard pop, pop, pop. i could just hear ricocheting and i looked at him like that, i get up and as i'm running i look back and he was a magnet barrel right at me and my coworker. pop, pop, pop, pop, i'm on the phone with my wife, hey, bring me megan. bring me my gun. as i'm saying that to my wife, i can hear the gun going off again. pop, pop, pop, pop. >> if you could just imagine that trauma of being shot at. his wife did bring him his gun and he tried to head to the school, to follow the gunman inside. he was already shooting at windows, according to comey present you, but the police arrived at the same time that he got the gun from his wife and they told him to stand back. and then waited more than 77 minutes until they confronted the gunman. so, not only does this poor man

have the trauma of being shot at, also the guilt of not being able to do anything about it, to wishing he could do more. and, to top that, off he is working, he's burying children this week. five victims, including his cousin. yasmin? >> incredibly tragic. let's maclachlan, thank you for that. we are continuing to report on these mass shootings and, amidst this conversation, we want to highlight some research from the journal of pharmacology. it's as the following, and medicated, untreated brain illness is likely in mass shooters. that conclusion, based on the first analysis of medical analysis on domestic mass shooters in the united states was focused on 35 mass shooters who survived. finding, quote, based on this data, 32 of the 35 perpetrators had signs and symptoms of brain illness, which fit scientific diagnostic criteria for a clinical psychiatric disorder.

that's from the report. doctor glick joins me now, thank you for joining us. >> -- >> before we have this discussion, i want to lay this out for my audience, this is not to say that any of these shooters were victims. this is also not to say that the fall does not lie with them. it is also not to take away the conversation that we are having about guns in this country and the problem with guns in this country. there's a conversation we have in lockstep with the conversation we're also having with guns, and important that. doctor gull lake, thank you so much for joining us. i want to say, in your report, you notice. most who are violent are not mentally ill, and most of the mentally ill or not violent. our message is that mental health providers, lawyers and the public should be made aware that some on medicated patients to pose an increased risk of violence. walk us through, doctor glick, your findings here and some of the nuance that exists.

>> sure, yasmin. to highlight the tragedy is that families feel. our study was the first study looking at who these people were that committed these mass shootings. what we found, i colleagues at and psychiatrists, and a lawyer, what we found in the 35 of 135 male shooter's, the 35 that lived. what we found was brain illness. we have the first study looking at who these people were and what they're doing. the punchline is, as you highlight, people with mental

illness, quote, have last chance, last risk of violence. if you have both brain illness and you don't get treatment, that is, you're acting paranoid, strange, rejected by your peers, no life, dropped out of school, no work, no friends, you get paranoid and your brain is sick, your brain is damaged. you get more and more angry, fearful, isolated, alone. these are the people who get access to guns and use them to take away lives. all report, a report, is the first a look at where these people actually are. to suggest that what we have to do is help these brain damage,

sick people with a variety of medical and psychiatric illnesses, to get the treatment they deserve. often, they reject treatment. these are treatment rejecting people. it is up to us and others to help get the treatment they need. >> patrick, like i have two questions for you. first and foremost, how much is asia factor here? some of the conversations i've had with other psychotherapist talked specifically about the lack of development of the frontal lobe and men specifically, under the age of 25. their impulse control. that also plays a factor in all of this. >> yes, frontal lobe damage is part of the issue. but the brain is a complex organ and many parts of the brain are affected. when you have parts of the brain that give feedback to stop us from doing awful things to others or ourselves. so, that's only part of the

issue. >> my other question is what about resources? you have individuals, looking at uvalde, for instance, there's not a lot of treatment resources. if two parents, brother them have drug, issues alcohol issues as well. you have a supportive network ran to, you don't have someone saying hey, you're sick, you need help. or care to, really, it seems like in this most recent shooters experience. what's then? >> there are resources out there. everyone has access to clinics or doctors have any specialty. the idea is to get the sick person with a sick brain to a physician, not a therapist, i can provide maybe medication and the psychotherapy that is needed to help these people, in order to prevent them from doing harm, in order to save lives for the general public. >> doctor glick, thank you for your work on this and i hope we

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the mid-, firms florida's top court top down a controversial decision on the states redistricting map. there's huge repercussions for democrats in november, as nbc news is -- florida supreme court declined to weigh in on the congressional map drawn by republican governor, ron desantis, have being criticized as groups committed horrigan's black floridians. the state map could give republicans as many as four additional house seats in congress. the dismantling of the fifth district held by african

american democrat, owl -- drew black given it was a created to raise the representation of black voters in florida. are in ohio as well, another blow to democrats after that states in favor of a map that now gives republicans at least a 54% share of seats in the state legislator. joining me now -- reporting on all this stuff. jay, let's talk about some of the stuff you've got advice a group essentially the state forcing there to keep fighting. the clock though, it's a ticking, we're about six months away from the midterm elections at this point. is there really anything that can be done? >> well, jasmine, these maps are all about the next ten years so while these maps are gonna be on the books in florida for the midterm election this is really the last staff, never say never when it comes to court fights. this is pretty much, it's the map that they're gonna have here in florida. the question is, whether if the

map will last the next ten years, this was inevitable ron desantis fought with his own state legislator to make sure this district, this district that ran from tallahassee to jacksonville, uniting and creating a strong black democrat voting population in the primary. he fought to make sure that this district got obliterated into republican districts. the question is really, is it a constitutional long turn, florida voters approved anti gerrymandering provisions in their state constitution, that's why state lawmakers don't want to go down this road. he essentially vetoed the old bat they drawn and said, nope, you're gonna go with my map. in the end the state lawmaker said okay, send us the map we're gonna pass it, we have no other choice. >> so, it seems in florida constitutional. ohio, it's been ruled unconstitutional by the court. the court centrally said that we have no other option to change things before the next election. so, moving forward with these

map even though they've been ruled unconstitutional. >> yeah, ohio's found this stalemate. advocates will tell you reform is not easy. ohio voters i think worse -- bipartisanship incentivizing compromise. what they've discovered is that the majority of the party can really just refused to comply with these provisions, the state court doesn't have a lot of power to force them to pass constitutional maps. in the end, reno republicans and democrats will end up in federal court, in the federal court will say we need some kind of map. we need some kind of election, so basically handed them a victory. and maybe that was a more conservative courts, it gave them that win. but in the end, state court had trouble enforcing this. i think thursday was the most recent deadline, or friday, but they are supposed to have drawn another draft, not even for the state legislating election in this year's 2022. but for 2024, they didn't even

meet, they didn't even try to come up with a new map this week. >> here is the button on all it, kelly -- democratic redistricting committee actually said that we're in a stronger position this is her quote in the 2020, way stronger than in 2012. >> absolutely, the democrats absolutely got outgunned by republicans in 2010 this was a concerted tragedy, to put republicans in state legislator to draw the maps. they said whoever control state legislator,-controlled congress, that absolutely bore out. democrats had some gain this year, but we're seeing -- anti-gerrymandering positions in blue states. ohio, florida, they're on the books. i know you have a baby -- >> good to see you. still ahead everybody, the good liars crashed the nra convention in houston, here's

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guns all happened. the one person we got a microphone at the event took the chance to make a message directly at those gathered. the, they didn't seem to understand exactly what was going on. here is our friend, jason cell vic, from the comedy group the good liars, at the nra convention. >> -- perform one thing. thank, you my name is, jason i'm from west palm beach, florida. i would like to say that i am a sick and tired of the left wing media, and frankly people in this room today, spreading misinformation about -- whenever there's a mass shooting they always say that when mafia is a doing enough to stop these mass shootings, even implying that wayne lapierre is playing a part in making it easier for the shooters to get guns, get weapons. you heard it after las vegas,

you heard it after pulse nightclub in orlando, you heard it after columbine, years after parkland, you heard it after virginia tech, he heard it after sandy hook, you heard it after el paso, you heard it after buffalo, you kept hearing that wayne lapierre isn't doing enough. frankly, that's not true. the nra, underway in lapierre's leadership, has provided thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families. and maybe these mass shootings would stop happening if we all thought a little bit more and we prayed a little bit more. i'm asking everyone in this room to think, to pray. gave your thoughts and your prayers and your thoughts and your prayers and your prayers

and your thoughts, and if we give enough of these thoughts in these prayers these mass shootings will stop. i want to thank you, wayne lapierre, for all you've done all your thoughts on all your prayers. thank you. [applause] >> the utterly confused when lap here, it seems. by the way, after that, he was reelected as ceo of the nra by a vote of 52 on. he saw that post -- the good liars join me now. welcome to you both, guys. thank you for joining us on this. jason, i have to, say i saw this when i was and uvalde, covering a mass shooting there. but i was really fascinated by what took place there and obviously your addressing the crowd at the nra and wayne lapierre as well. i have to ask, were you nervous about being there and doing that? >> yes.

short answer, very nervous. it was nerve-racking because a lot was made over donald trump speaking on friday night and they weren't allowing guns, the secret service was not allowing guns. at that meeting there was no such rule, the guns were allowed there. so, we were talking about what i should do and -- because we did know that he would even existed, we didn't know that we will get to be there with wayne lapierre. i had the thought, you've seen us interrupt some events before, we talk about that briefly and decided that probably was make it idea at the nra gathering. it worked out, i think, a lot better getting up there and getting on the microphone. >> did anybody say anything to you after? >> yeah, somebody said good job. [laughs] as the next person in line how i did and he said, you, know you did a pretty good job there.

i was surprised by that. i guess, when you're up there talking points, you know what? i didn't do a bad job in their eyes, i guess. because the thoughts and prayers are was going to solve this. >> good enough for them, i guess. there is another moment, jason, that i want to play for folks. in which i tried to fact check you on how many deaths are caused by guns versus hammers, i believe. let's watch that, and then we'll talk. >> more people and more crime, more people are killed, with hammers every year than guns. >> look at the facts. >> i will look that, up i don't think that's true actually. >> that is true. >> and the united states, sir? >> that is true, look it up, you can google it. >> it's true, excessive julie. true >> so, you can go there in front of him. and then what did he say? >> well, i google that and the

number one causal homicide in the country's handguns. and then there are unspecified guns at number two. and then there is rifles, and then way down it's blend objects, hammers included in there. but also pipes and things like that. he said, i asked him afterwards, are you going to stop telling people this? and he said no, because i definitely heard the somewhere. he still said the second time it is important to him and he's going to continue to, i guess, spread this misinformation. even though i took its advice and googled it right there. >> just to be upfront about this, even though you are necessarily at the, bent you're going to be getting better next week and you don't want to come down with covid. everybody can appreciate that. nonetheless, you as work as a company duo. rob, you've been to somebody events like this as well. there's something, to, as we're having this discussion reckons

of this country, especially after the last match shooting killing 20, people 19 of those just kids, and i think kids. there's something about this idea that these individuals are sticking to their, no pun intended, guns. no matter why, not if you're googling it in front of them are trying on the facts. if why you're saying if what they're saying is not true, they continue to push these mass numbers and these lies. >> yeah, that's right. i think wayne lapierre famously said after the sandy hook massacre that a good guy with a gun is the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun. you know, given the details in uvalde and in buffalo, this stuff just isn't true. it's not the way to approach gun violence, it's not the way to stop it. people are sticking with their narrative. you saw jason talking to this guy, confronted with the facts he just said well, you know, the second amendment is important to me and brushed it off. so, yeah, we keep seeing this over and over and over again, it's a little scary that some

of those discussions seems to be turning to why this is so hard to do, why it's hard to change and not what it means to change. so, yeah, it's a little scary how hard they stick to it. >> jason, back to you, you put yourself in a dangerous position, that is obviously truth what you did. why is that important for you guys to do stuff like this? to put yourselves out there in that regard, especially in a situation like the nra where you are at risk? >> the last couple weeks, we are talking about this, but we've both been sick by these mass shootings. it's been since sandy hook, when children were killed and republicans and democrats couldn't come together and pass meaningful gun legislation, that is kind of seemed helpless. we want to kind of put our foot on the gas and say, we need to do something now. because republicans keep saying at a mental health issue but don't want to spend money on mental health programs.

service says. greg abbott cut $200 million in april of this year. so, it is important to us. and like he was saying, they always say i kind of the time to stop a black eye with a gun and that guns don't kill people but people kill people. but people would kill a lot less people if they didn't have access to these assault rifles. and so, hopefully, we can pass something meaningful this year. at least so an 18 year old can't go in a bind ar-15. >> yeah, and once again, 19 good people with guns who are not able to stop one fat guy with a gun. jason, thank you. durham, thank you as well, congratulations by the way on your upcoming nuptials. we all get, it you don't want to get covid before you get married, you don't want to disappoint everybody. >> can't do it. >> thank you guys, appreciate it. coming up in our next hour, a preview of the general six committees first televised hearing. plus, the big impacts of

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